aphanon_meme | part 349 heart shaped chocolates

part 349 heart shaped chocolates

Hi meme! Happy Valentine's day! I hope you have a sweet one. (Get it? Sweet? Because... chocolates and candies. Yeahhh.) Sadly, I don't think a candle in the window for Himaruya has led him home--yet. It's all very romantically tragic. Or tragically romantic. I don't know.

Enjoy part 349!

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Crimea is going to join Russia now, apparently.

There's no way such a vote can be legitimate.

And Russia is still claiming they don't know whose soldiers they are...

They'll vote on it but even if the vote by some miracle was legitimate, the West would never allow it. That doesn't fit our script.

The more I've been looking at things the fishier it's getting

First I thought it had to do with over 50% of the Crimean population being ethnically Russian and the Black Sea Fleet but no

In truth, this is probably for the best(in terms of avoiding future bloodshed) and the inevitable outcome. I mean, when you have at least 50% of your population being a foreign ethnicity that identifies more with their parents/grandparents country than they do with they country they're currently living in, what do you expect?

It is pretty shitty that Ukraine successfully stood up to a corrupt, violent, power-hungry, wealthy asshole and in return got a very valuable portion of their country taken away, but I do think it's completely plausible that the majority of people in the area would actually want that, and I don't think the west(Or at least America- Europe can sort out it's own problems) has a right to interfere with that.

But there are some rumors that eastern Ukraine will fall next, there are also a huge Russian population. If you give something so easily, who says they won't try it again?

Yeah, it could so easily become another Sudetenland.

this is what I'm thinking

That's a completely real possibility, and I think if it came to that Ukraine and those with treaties with it would have some pretty tough choices, and the ethical debates it would spark would be massive. But for right now the world generally agrees that people have the right to self-determination, and I can see Putin being placated with just Crimea, so at this point I think giving it up or negotiating with Russia to go back to how things were with lots of promises to be nice to the ethnic Russians would be the best decision for Ukraine.

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THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO BE BRINGING UP UKRAINES RAINCOAT FETISH CAPTCHA GOD

I'll agree with that the day Russia gives independence to the ethnic groups that live within its borders and want their own country.

The problem with that is that Russia has done such a systematic job of killing and deporting people all around the country that it's pretty hard to find a place where ethnic Russians aren't the majority.

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where do you think all the original inhabitants went if crimea wasn't originally majority russian

The Tatars aren't happy about this for that reason.

Though, when you think about it, the Tatars didn't exactly end up there out of a kindhearted migration back in the day and did a great deal of damage themselves. History sucks.

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Weren't the Crimean Tatars the original inhabitants?

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+100 The ethnic Tartars who used to live in Crimea had largely been deported to other parts of the Russian Empire/Soviet Union or killed. From all reports, the Tartars who are still left in the Crimea don't want to be under Russian control, but no one is listening to them. Since they aren't the majority, they don't matter at all.

That's....usually the way it goes, unfortunately. Majority rules.

is it bad that all i can think is that this is going to be like the cold war again where if america intervenes we'll be the bad guys for intervening it but if we don't we'll still be the bad guys because we didn't?

For what it's worth, I've been thinking that right along with you. It's not the only thing I'm thinking about concerning this situation, but it's definitely part of it.

tbf when the us is "the bad guys for intervening" in the cold war it's usually because they intervened to make things actively worse

It seems like damned if you do, damned if you don't to me.

"HELP US!"

"STOP, WE DIDN'T WANT YOU TO HELP US LIKE THAT, HELP US LIKE THIS."

honestly it's a whole lot more HELP THEM than HELP US
and when "help like that" is help that builds crippling policies (or oughtright murderous dictators, whatever) into your economy and political system, no wonder no one wanted help like that. the US did a lot of crazy awful shit in the name of anti-communism/anti-russia.

except for people still think that we were the bad guys for things like the korean war, our involvement in japan, shit like even in the break up of yugoslavia we really didn't "make things worse" and the un is actually getting in trouble for NOT intervening enough but we're still the bad guys for intervening?

so yeah

tbh if that can end this shit for now, regardless of whether the vote was legitimate - let it. please, please let it.

i'm sorry ukraine, but i'd rather it end up this way than to broaden the conflict. at this point it seems to get russia out of crimea would require more foreign soldiers going in and if this conflict turns into outright america vs russia or european powers vs russia i feel like the ramifications for the world are going to be potentially much larger and more deadly than if it stays ukraine (albeit potentially with some armament from america/europe) vs russia.

i still don't get why russia stirred up the shit with its bare hands though. i would think it'd have been smarter to just sneak in weapons to the pro-russian segments of crimea and encourage the civil war that was pretty much on the brink anyway. i'm not saying that's more or less moral, i just mean that from a strategic perspective that seems to me more sensible than jumping in with both feet.

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