aphanon_meme ([personal profile] aphanon_meme) wrote2017-12-31 06:04 pm

part 367 bears and wolves oh my

YOU DID IT, I'M SO PROUD OF YOU. Well, it's been a year. I hope it was a good one for you--and that 2018 is even better! And maybe we'll finally get that fansub of even one of the musicals... just maybe.

Enjoy part 367!

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Re: itt: last thing you read

[personal profile] zeetee 2018-04-09 12:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I saw it when I was a teenager and I was SO MAD about the age-up and the dumb romance! Subsequent rereads reminded me that Winnie did have a childish crush on Jesse, but it was nowhere near the level of the movie's ~doomed romance~ and I feel like focusing on it meant way too many story beats were taken from Mae and Tuck.

It's a book about a child coming to terms with mortality, not about kissing, dangit!

Also it's a minor point that I only just remembered but adding in Miles fighting in wars and extra stuff like his daughter dying early is just... too much. You went too hard, movie.

/da!

(Anonymous) 2018-04-09 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I read the book after I saw the movie and the books' message was so much more meaningful. The romance angle took away from mortality message that I felt was a lot stronger in the book.

I kind of want to rewatch the movie and reread the book again now though, it's been a while...
zeetee: what a spiffy story! (reading is fun)

Re: /da!

[personal profile] zeetee 2018-04-10 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly. It's a subtle, serious little book and too much dramu was added in the movie.

Apparently there was a broadway musical as well! From the songs I've heard from it it's wayyyy more like the book, though with really odd random differences? Like the cat being the animal that keeps living rather than the horse, and Winnie wanting to go to a fair? /shrug, guess they felt the need to pad it out a little and didn't want to bother with a horse costume

Re: /da!

(Anonymous) 2018-04-10 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
... omfg I completely forgot about the musical! I remember it didn't stay open for very long.
zeetee: accurate depiction of me (artist)

Re: /da!

[personal profile] zeetee 2018-04-10 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
I only just found out! I'm... not super surprised it didn't last long, the book is just... really subtle and peculiar, and hard to adapt. Honestly it just works best as a simple little novella.

oops hit enter too soon

(Anonymous) 2018-04-10 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah I think a lot of musicals have changes like that. For the horse I'm sure they didn't want to have to figure out a good way to represent it on stage! plus they have to pad things out a lot as you said.
zeetee: what a spiffy story! (reading is fun)

oops didn't see this!

[personal profile] zeetee 2018-04-10 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
Yep, it makes sense, though given that the horse is kinda an important cog in the story, I wonder how they dealt with its removal...

Re: oops didn't see this!

(Anonymous) 2018-04-10 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
Did some digging!

Interestingly it looks like they used the horse but in the opposite way. In the musical, all the Tucks, the cat and the horse went to the spring and they all drank but the horse, which died at 25. I don't think the cat plays a role in the story or is on stage even. Huh.

I'm trying to figure out how else they reworked the story but I can't find a proper synopsis.

Looks like it would've been interesting, in any case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jjg2-h35Po
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Re: oops didn't see this!

[personal profile] zeetee 2018-04-10 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
HUH... that's an... oddly cheerful rendition :'Da

Looks like The Man In The Yellow Suit is part of the fair, and Winnie runs away to the fair dressed as a boy, rather than just going into the wood? Looks like there's way more about the Tucks before they drank, too. I think I still prefer the subtleness of the book, but I understand that you gotta make a broadway musical POP an' all.

Good logo though, nice use of the infinity symbol, A+ graphic design

Re: oops didn't see this!

(Anonymous) 2018-04-10 02:23 am (UTC)(link)
I clicked around in a bootleg of the Broadway version [I guess the pre-Broadway version was a lot different, with tons more flashbacks & such of the Tucks) and that seems about right.

Also looks like Winnie's family owns the woods where the spring is? There's a scene where the Man in the Yellow Suit offers them the location of the "kidnapped" Winnie in exchange for the deed to the woods. So when he gets it, he finds Jessie and the family and says he owns the woods and they have to tell them where the spring is, before grabbing Winnie and threatening to shoot her if they don't take him to the spring.

That wasn't in the book right? It's been a long time since I've read it but ...
zeetee: what a spiffy story! (reading is fun)

uhhhh spoilers for Tuck Everlasting

[personal profile] zeetee 2018-04-10 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
Naw, that was mostly in the book. I literally just read this scene last night so it's pretty fresh in my memory. If you'd rather read it for yourself instead of my sparknotes version, skip the rest of my comment? :'D

Winnie's family owned the wood but never really did anything with it, just using it as a status symbol, so they never found out about the spring. The Man In the Yellow Jacket followed Winnie, Mae, Jesse, and Miles, heard their story, followed them all the way to their home without being noticed somehow (honestly, the biggest logical stretch outside of Magic Immortality Spring), stole their horse, rode back to Treegap, and extorted her family for ownership of the wood in exchange for her safe return. THEN he rides back with the constable to arrest the Tucks but rides ahead so he has time to monologue his whole plan, and when the Tucks balk at joining him, he says he'll get Winnie to drink some and be part of a traveling Magic Water snake oil show. That's the last straw, so Mae clocks him in the head with the butt of a chekov's gun riiiight as the constable rides up, oh noooo

Re: uhhhh spoilers for Tuck Everlasting

(Anonymous) 2018-04-10 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
I'll have to re-read it again for sure! It's been a long time.

Here's the musical bootleg BTW:

Act 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIBtjUIqK6U

Act 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfyePdVJj_U
zeetee: a small child hugging a smaller child (hug)

Re: uhhhh spoilers for Tuck Everlasting

[personal profile] zeetee 2018-04-10 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
I hope you get a chance!

ooh, thanks for the links!

Re: uhhhh spoilers for Tuck Everlasting

(Anonymous) 2018-04-10 04:02 am (UTC)(link)
np! I'll have to watch it soon. Now that I think about it, I vaguely remember hub-bub from people I followed on Tumblr back when it opened because the actor who played Jessie left Newsies to be in Tuck Everlasting!
zeetee: Watch where you're aiming, Grover! (archery)

Re: uhhhh spoilers for Tuck Everlasting

[personal profile] zeetee 2018-04-10 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
I wondered what all the Newsies talk in the comments of the Highlights vid was about...!

Re: uhhhh spoilers for Tuck Everlasting

(Anonymous) 2018-04-10 05:29 am (UTC)(link)
j;adf; haha. Yeah! He originated Crutchy in the Newsies musical, it's kind of coming back to me, people were super upset by him leaving. Especially since Tuck Everlasting flopped and closed after only 39 performances.
zeetee: poor grover. (so embarrassed)

Re: uhhhh spoilers for Tuck Everlasting

[personal profile] zeetee 2018-04-10 12:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Eesh, yeah, what an unfortunate gamble... :(

/sa

(Anonymous) 2018-04-10 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
Wait I didn't realize Wikipedia had a detailed synopsis.

We were mostly right. Looks like she doesn't dress as a boy though, she just sneaks off, the boy clothes are from being clothes from the Tucks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuck_Everlasting_(musical)#Musical_synopsis
zeetee: :)a (smile)

Re: /sa

[personal profile] zeetee 2018-04-10 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
OK yeah it looks like it hits far more of the story beats and themes than the movie does, but adds a lot of extra flavor and shuffles around where and when some things happen.